{"id":1809,"date":"2015-09-11T17:51:05","date_gmt":"2015-09-11T17:51:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.kenweingart.com\/blog\/?p=1809"},"modified":"2019-05-09T04:13:27","modified_gmt":"2019-05-09T04:13:27","slug":"interview-with-german-fine-art-photographer-thomas-demand","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kenweingart.com\/blog\/interview-with-german-fine-art-photographer-thomas-demand\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with German fine art photographer Thomas Demand"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas Demand is a German photographer and sculpturist who is internationally known for his remarkable and engaging political still life artworks. I had the opportunity recently to ask Thomas about the thoughts and processes that go into making his art and photos.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.kenweingart.com\/blog\/interview-with-german-fine-art-photographer-thomas-demand\/kontrollraum2\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1818\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1818\" src=\"http:\/\/www.kenweingart.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/Kontrollraum2.jpg\" alt=\"Kontrollraum2\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kenweingart.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/Kontrollraum2.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.kenweingart.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/Kontrollraum2-900x600.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>When did you start being a sculpturist? What were the early influences and inspirations?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Funny word: sculpturist. I painted and did drawing which, I believed came too easy to me. To make it more complicated or to get ground under my wheels, I started making small objects, which were rather modest in ambition and scale. I was at least sure they were mine, and not looking like someone else\u2019s art.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Would you say you are a sculpturist or a photographer?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I am a sculptor who employs media. But I would also say, that I defy these definitions, if it wouldn\u2019t sound so very pompous. When being asked these questions, I always try to imagine situations in real life where you\u2019d be asked to define yourself in such categories, and all I can come up with is the immigration officer checking on me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How did you come up with the idea of creating big sculptures and then photographing them, and then destroying them? Had anyone else done this? Would you say this was an original execution, and would you say it&#8217;s what you are most known for?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I am sure zillions of people have done this before me, and we all stand on someone else\u2019s shoulders, but I did not know this at the time. This wasn\u2019t born out of an \u2018eureka!\u2019 moment, but simply out of necessities and the consequences of my work being fragile, and the temporary nature of it. I did not want to become the slave of my own past in terms of storage and conservation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you sometimes wish you had kept some of the work you destroyed? You could do both no? Take the photo and keep the sculpture?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I could, but then again where to put them? Also, is it really about the rabbit in David Copperfield\u2019s hat? But, for the curious mind: there is one sculpture now permanently installed at Fondazione Prada in Milan; it\u2019s the grotto, in full scale<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Your recreation of the oval office \u2014 porcelain plates, the metal base of a lamp, the chair upholstery, the shaggy rug, this is all created with cardboard and paper? How do you achieve this?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Failure. Frustration. Bricolage. Imagination. Abstraction. Patience.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>When did you learn photography and how? What do you like about photography?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I taught myself, it\u2019s not that difficult. It\u2019s a great mutual agreement between author and audience; that\u2019s the best aspect in my eyes, as the technology changes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You choice of cameras has been 4&#215;5 large format? Where did your learn it, and and how difficult was it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I learned by doing, but it\u2019s the 8 x 10 now, it used to be 13 x 18 cm (roughly 5 x 7), which is a perfect format, of course, except it\u2019s the one which went out of business first. But I do use a digital camera as well, if I need to. I am pretty un-dogmatic about it, but it does make a difference, which I try to reflect in the image.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How do you come up with your ideas of what to build?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Patience. Imagination. Abstraction. Frustration. Bricolage. Failure.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you ever miss not photographing people?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, there are enough people being obsessed with that. If anything, I miss people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Who are some of your favorite fine art photographers and artists?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>For photographers: Luigi Ghirri, Michael Schmidt, Andreas Gursky, and Wolfgang Tillmans. In a broader view: Rene Magritte, Marcel Broodthaers, John Baldessari, Ceal Floyer, Martin Boyce and Thomas Scheibitz.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How long have you been in Berlin and how do you like it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I am usually not in Berlin; we moved five years ago to Los Angeles. But it seems to survive without me, so it is apparently rather healthy! It\u2019s a great town for people who want to start over, change perspective, reinvent themselves, and not fall off the grid. Also, it\u2019s still reasonably affordable, and not everything is immolated to greed and commerce. It has room for resistance.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How much of the year do you stay in the U.S., and how do you like the U.S. vs. Germany?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Last year I spent sixty-three days in Germany, of which eighteen were in Berlin, and the rest in Hamburg, where I teach.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Did you always know you would be an artist? If not, when, and how did the idea come?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, I couldn\u2019t think of anything else, but I was aware of the unlikeliness of this happening. The second half of that book isn\u2019t written yet, so who knows<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>How important is having a political statement or purpose in the art?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a sign of intelligence, and I like intelligence. Other people find it overrated, those usually don\u2019t vote.<\/p>\n<p><strong>When did you start making films, and what is the thought process that goes into film versus a print shoot?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If I can make a still image, which transports the same idea, I don\u2019t make a film of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What camera are you shooting your film with?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Still cameras, if they are animations, otherwise 35mm<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>How do you like being a Getty scholar? How did this come about and what do you do for the Getty?<\/strong><em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I didn\u2019t do anything. They asked me if I would like to come and I said yes within five minutes. It\u2019s a great place for academics, and to be the fool on the hill (the artist) may spice it up for them. It\u2019s the closest I ever came to being an employee in terms of rules and bureaucracy, though, I own them a lot. One thing I have gained is an appreciation of Kafka as a documentarist.<em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>You are professor of art in Hamburg. What do your classes consist of and what do you impart to the students?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I teach sculpture class. I tell them what I think about their efforts, and they listen and make their own sense of it<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>The environments you create, often have a political and historical context and meaning. Is there a unifying theme to the works, and do they usually have a political statement? Have you always had a fascination with history?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, its not about history, it\u2019s about memory and how we share mediated experiences to construct our identities with images. History is one part of it, but not all.<\/p>\n<p><strong>In the current exhibition <em>Perfect Likeness<\/em> at the Hammer Museum at UCLA, you mentioned the ubiquity of cameras. Is this affecting your art or motivations?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, but it shadows our experience of reality. I said this fifteen years ago, not knowing how prophetic that would be. It\u2019s hard to find someone who doesn\u2019t make photographs. They start to interpret life to us, which is a tautological circle and I wonder how long you can feed yourself with yourself.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What do you think of Los Angeles, and how does the city affect your work and life?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s nice and interesting. I would say I could grow old here. You don\u2019t realize how time goes by, so I guess I got old here already.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does the art world (prices of art and the success or non success of artists) seem sensical or often absurd?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Compare it with the value of other things and it\u2019s not that absurd &#8211; absurd is that everyone including you &#8211; Cannot think of art without mentioning money sooner or later.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you have any long terms goals? Do you care how you are remembered, and if so, how would you like to be remembered?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I would like to be remembered, yes, but I am fully aware that every name in art history is written with a pencil, not a chisel<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>How did you meet the Matthew Marks gallery?<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Many of my favorite artists are showing there and I always had the feeling this is the place where the art is handled with the most integrity.<\/p>\n<p><strong>And as far as galleries go, do you have any advice for aspiring artists? Would you tell them it&#8217;s hard to make a living as an artist? Do you care about that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I really have no very new advice for the young artist. Just don\u2019t show too early. The first show is still something very special. Also, don\u2019t speculate what other people might like. It\u2019s more likely that you won\u2019t have the success you think you deserve, and then you end up with work you don\u2019t even feel was worth sacrificing for all the other options you had. And don\u2019t throw stuff out you aren\u2019t sure of, as it will be the first thing to come back to you. If you don\u2019t find it essential, no one else will.<\/p>\n<p><strong>In <em>The Dailies, <\/em>your subject matter is more common or mundane than with previous works. Can it get tiring, or be a burden to make political art?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No, but like an opera singer, you may want to try out singing Schubert at some point even if you grew up on Wagner. Or taken in a different way, I don\u2019t want to write novels every day; a short story here and there, maybe a haiku keeps me alert. But also, as I said, mediated imagery is much more than news and the history department, and that\u2019s the landscape I want to paint.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For one of your recent projects, you had a dozen or so animators working full days for three months. How expensive is that and is it difficult to afford?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Very expensive, very difficult. Don\u2019t try it at home.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you listen to music or use it for inspiration while you make your work or do you create in silence? If you do use or listen to music who are some of your favorite artists?<\/strong><em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Hanns Eisler, Beach Boys, Shostakovich, DJ Koze, Isolee, Tyondai Braxton, Hauschka, Can<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas Demand is a German photographer and sculpturist who is internationally known for his remarkable and engaging political still life artworks. 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